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Posted 2 Years, 11 Months ago Link #1
My dad gave me these 23 years ago. I think one is an ammonite but the other is a bone or petrified wood? He found them downtown Austin, Texas.
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Posted 2 Years, 11 Months ago Link #2
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Posted 2 Years, 11 Months ago Link #4
Another photo - item is almost the size of a large icechest.
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Posted 2 Years, 11 Months ago Link #5
Another photo
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Posted 2 Years, 11 Months ago Link #6
Last Edit: 2009/05/14 08:24 By devazier. Reason: same photo as above. I\'m just learning this system. did not know how to delete.
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Posted 2 Years, 11 Months ago Link #7
Well...as far I can tell, you're right about the ammonite, but, the large fossil doesn't seem to be a bone. My best guess is petrified wood!

Hope that helps....
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Posted 2 Years, 11 Months ago Link #8
Raptor Lewis wrote:
Well...as far I can tell, you're right about the ammonite, but, the large fossil doesn't seem to be a bone. My best guess is petrified wood!

Hope that helps....;)






On second thought, it's kind of difficult to tell eaxactly what the large specimen is.




I do have one correction to make. According to the title of the thread, you say it's either fossil OR bone. However, the only animals that would have a femur that size would be the sauropods (In case you don't know, I mean those long-necked dinosaurs, that were the largest animals ever to WALK the Earth.). In this case, the bones would be fossils because during fossilization, the tissue of the bone is replaced with minerals and sediments from the earth when it was quickly buried after death. So, the original tissue is gone and is replaced with a stone "copy" of the structure of the bone. So, in a sense it's not the "real" bone, but a mere carbon copy of the original.
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Posted 2 Years, 2 Months ago Link #9
It does not look like a dinosaur bone. dinosaur bones usually show a cellular structure on the inside of it. That looks like it was originally a tree. Not to mention dinosaur bones are found in specific land formations. They are usually found at higher elevations such as Colorado, Utah or Wyoming.
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Posted 2 Years, 2 Months ago Link #10
While I can`t identify the piece I feel I must add that 27 years ago the complete remains of 4 or 5 mammoths were unearthed while excavating for a building in downtown Austin. The downtown area lies on the banks of the Colorado River and is one of the few areas around here where everything is not buried in chalk.
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Posted 1 Year, 3 Months ago Link #11
Raptor Lewis/anybodyDoes the 'fossil carbon copy' process you allude to work equally on dentyne/tooth enamel? It seems without closer inspection of this palm sized object, very little is discernible. Also the dark purple dense waxy looking minineral was in a delivery of washed river rock..The only thing close I could find was sugilite or tanzinite. sp;hey jspencer/rickymouse cold enuff for you. Hope everyone made it thru the inclimate weather
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Posted 1 Year, 3 Months ago Link #12
Boy, I haven't been paying much attention. When did they start putting the date on the back of a quarter?
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Posted 1 Year, 3 Months ago Link #13
So as one Farmall owner to another I can assume the only thing you found unique in the picture is the mundane item proffered as legal tender...that and my photos are improving
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Posted 1 Year, 3 Months ago Link #14
I got lots of rocks but also collect older quarters. I know your fossils and rocks are real, but I question if the new money we use is real....
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Posted 1 Year, 3 Months ago Link #15
ok I'll go for that...

Since the thread is hanging by one already and a mineral is the topic...an interesting money moment of recent vintage stated many collectors of coin believe that silver was dropped from U.S. coins struck after 1964, actually the content was reduced to 40 percent until its final dispensation in 1971.
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Posted 1 Year, 2 Months ago Link #16
Raptor Lewis wrote:
In this case, the bones would be fossils because during fossilization, the tissue of the bone is replaced with minerals and sediments from the earth when it was quickly buried after death. So, the original tissue is gone and is replaced with a stone "copy" of the structure of the bone. So, in a sense it's not the "real" bone, but a mere carbon copy of the original.


I caught this while perusing some of the images recently and I'd like to add my two cents. Raptor Lewis is correct in several points--that the process of fossilization reduces the bone tissue and probably occurs very quickly. However, there's one common misconception here that I'd like to dispel.

As bone passes through initial decay, proteins in the bone (mostly collagen and osteocalcin) break down by hydrolysis and are lost. This constitutes between 15 and 35 wt% of most bone mass. The mineral component, a calcium phosphate complex called hydroxylapatite, is not destroyed or removed. Fossils of bone are not copies (carbon or otherwise), they are a residual component of the original material. This is particularly true of enamel, which even in life is less that 1 wt% collagen and as nearly mineralogically unliving a tissue as the vertebrate body can produce. Bone fossils are almost always the original, real mineral from the skeleton of the animal.

This is not to say that bones don't change as they fossilize. The collagen that escapes during pre-fossilization is a binding matrix for the nanometer-size mineral grains, so there may be some minute reorganization of the mineral crystals. The typical mode of fossilization for vertebrate skeletal tissue is the addition of calcite, barite, siderite, clay, or sediment into voids in the original material, a condition called permineralization. Remember that when minerals produce psuedomorphs--such as pyrite cubes replaced by limonite, or quartz replacing shell material in turritella gastropods--the internal structure is substantially reduced if not lost altogether. If dinosaur bone were a psuedomorph (a mineral 'carbon copy' ) we would see little or no internal structure. In fact, the original mineral structure is retained even to the point of preserving cellular structure of the original tissue such that "Haversian osteons" (millimeter-wide columns of bone mineral sheathing a tiny blood vessel) can be easily seen under the microscope. I've done a bit of work with this sort of detail in hadrosaurs, so I'm going to try attaching a picture of some of these osteons as they appear in the neural spine on a caudal vertebra.

(The magnification here is 150x; osteons appear as ovate whorls surrounded by a dark band; the pit in the interior of each is the cross-section track of the vessel; the tiny stipples in the whorl are the holes left by bone-precipitating cells called osteocytes. As bone matures, the older osteons wear out and are overprinted by new ones. There are strong similarities between this bone tissue and that of birds and large mammals.)

The take-home message here is, if you're handling a vertebrate fossil, odds are extremely good that you are touching original material from the animal.
Last Edit: 2011/02/19 16:47 By Will Straight.
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