Italy the cradle of humanity and not Africa? Oreopithecus was a hominid that walked bipedally arm/finger is panin not Orrorin Orrorin Stonethrower

whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

The craddle of Humanity is not on this Earth, my dear chap ! Each planet goes in turn through the Biological orbit and later pull out of it ! Mars was there before and Venus will be following but by then life will be extinct on Eath ! Stop bringing forth the Official Geological Beastly Unculture & Ignorance please !

I'll bite, Archie. Demonstrate where I've been wrong about somnething in our exchange. No fair picking something where I gave you fore-warning about the possibility I was wrong. I must congratulate you, Archie, you construct strawmans quicker than anyone I've ever seen. I tonly takes one word for you. That is, it only requires that you say 'assume'. A strawman is a parody of an opponent's position constructed so hat one can more easily object to it. Anthropologists don't merely assume hominin's have their origins in cradle, the evidence taught them that. Read some history of paleoanthropology. They learned that one the hard way. God, I just left fourty-four hours in the Twilight Zone (ok, I didn't watch at least 11 or so of those hours, but still...), it's very odd to think and talk in the real world again. Anyone ever had that feeling?

Now another aspect of the Model of Evolution (Evolution is not a theory but

an algorithm to the true theory of Superdeterminism).

Evolution tends to have speciation, new species arise not at the heart of the geography of a given species, but usually at the geographical fringes of the range of a particular species. In fact, the Evolution-Model should be able to coax out some important mathematical numbers as to the probability of a species giving rise to a new species near the heart of the species' range and at the periphery of the species range.

With that in mind, we can safely say that Africa was the heart of the pannin species and that Europe and Italy where Oreopithecus was found was the fringes of the pannin species some 8-10 million years ago.

And Italy being the fringe boundary of all pannins of Africa would have a far far greater probability of giving birth or rise to a new species which is no longer pannin but the first hominid species

Africa, not Italy.

anyone I've ever seen. I tonly takes one word for you.

He's not the only one who believes that, see, eg, the ideas of Marcel Williams on human & ape evolution.

I'm gonna say this one last time: by definition, hominins did not descend from panins, and panins are by definition hominids. Why is that so hard to grasp?

I believe he thinks hominids are hominoids.

Irrelevant. Paleoanthropologists don't merely assume that Africa is the cradle of humanity-that is a conclusion they reach based on the evidence. Whether or not it's still controversial to some extent (I don't think there's any concept in this world for which there isn't at least one dissenter), doesn't even matter if they're wrong.

Archimedes,

Eight to ten million years ago, Italy was very different. There were no land bridges to Africa. One would have had to 'go around.'

Regards,

It is now regarded as likely that the Hominidae (hominids) evolved in Eurasia, with the oldest known diagnostically hominid hypodigm being provided by Sivapithecus (from the Chinji Formation of the Siwaliks). The African species Proconsul and Kenyapithecus have been entirely excluded from any part in hominid origins. Following Sivapithecus were Dryopithecus, Ouranopithecus (aka Graecopithecus) and Oreopithecus. Lufengpithecus is probably on the Asian side, a line leading to Pongo. Hominids would then have entered Africa for the first time only in the late Miocene or early Pliocene. See:

Because all we are really talking about is whether one fossil is the same species or not to another fossil. There is only one real science concept that we have to worry about