Trochlea carpalis (Cal is wrong)

The trochlea carpalis is a grooved articulatory surface. It the same with trochlea humeri (another articulatory surface). Look these up somewhere else but Feduccia, and see how most people use such terms. Maybe it is Cal that needs to take that Freshman Biology course (or take it over again if he already has). Cal has a lot of gall criticizing others and calling them loony. And while he's at it, maybe he should take a course in aerodynamics as well. But better get some medication first, or you are liable to get kicked out of the classroom due to your paranoid rantings.

I did. I looked it up in Wagner and Gauthier (1999). Wagner and Gauthier (1999) calls the semilunate bone in the wrist of Deinonychus the 'trochlea carpalis.'

Kinman not only claims that Feduccia is wrong, but now he is claiming that Wagner and Gauthier are wrong too. I submit that Feduccia, Wagner and Gauthier, and Ostrom are right. Kinman is wrong.

Kinman is not only wrong but he has proven himself to be dishonest. He claims that he represents the middle ground and that the Darwinians (whom he disrespectfully calls the 'eclecticists' and the cladists are both 'extremists.' Nothing can be further from the truth. Cladists and pheneticists occupy opposite extremes in the spectrum of classificatory philosophy while the Darwinians are the true middle ground. I think Kinman's infatuation with cladism has driven him mad.

According to the following web site:
http://www.cid.ch/DAVID/Bon/Bon25.html

'Trochlea of humerus (trochlea humeri) : Medial part of the condyle for articulation with the ulna'

The terms 'trochlea of humerus,' or 'trochlea of the humerus' are in fact used more often than the term 'trochlea humeri.' Kinman is either confused about this term or he is trying to confuse his readers by using a less familiar term because it vaguely resembles the term trochlea carpalis. The analogical term for trochlea humeri would therefore be 'trochlea of carpalis' or 'trochlea of the carpalis' but not 'trochlea carpalis.'

Kinman is either wrong or he is trying to pull a fast one. Trochlea humeri may mean the trochlear surface of the humerus, but trochlea carpalis is still the name of the fused bone in the hand of the bird (but not the name of the semilunate bone in Deinonychus, notwithstanding Wagner and Gauthier's (1999) wishful thinking). Trochlea humerus would indeed be the name of a bone and a grammatical equivalent of trochlea carpalis, but that is not the term to which Kinman is referring, and I am not sure that the term trochlea humerus even exists.

Snippage. . . .

But all of those trivially basic concepts might just prove to be so terribly constraining to his genius and insight! He OWES the world of science his accumen and knowledge without the compromising influences of such triviality!

Gall? Cal King? . . . . . No! . . . . Surely you're kidding me, right?

As for the aero stuff . . . . Ole buddy, ole pal, can a flat plate produce lift when held at an angle of attack to the relative airflow? Yes/No. I'll even drop my 'killfile' entry (temporarily!) just to see that ONE WORD response.

The medicine is NOT the problem, given the past track record of our little buddy, taking it might be! After all, why would a PERFECT person NEED medication! 8-))))

Regards bk

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No, I am not confused or pulling a fast one. I'm trying to get it through your thick stubborn head that YOU are wrong. You are the one who got the context wrong, and if you looked up the Latin meaning of trochlea (groove, hinge, pulley, etc.) you could have figured this out instead of wasting bandwidth calling people loony stalkers. 'a uniquely avian articular surface proximally: the trochlea carpalis'. It's there in black and white. You got the context wrong!! And in Hanenberg's post he obviously miswrote one word, since the semilunate carpal fuses with metacarpus to form the 'carpometacarpus' (not trochlea carpalis). Otherwise his post makes perfect sense. Whether you want to call the articular surface a trochlea carpalis or a 'trochlea of the carpus', it is one of many characters which is the same in birds as it is in maniraptors (and a less pronounced groove is found in some more basal coelurosaurs. A well-developed trochlea carpalis in combination with an enlarged fused semilunate is one character which characterizes my Class AVES sensu lato. The fact that juveniles of Deinonychus appear to have unfused semilunates (during part of ontogeny) is to be expected. And the fact that more advanced birds (with fused carpometacarpi) have lost traces of two unfused elements in its ontogeny is not particularly surprising. Class AVES sensu lato is also characterized by a convex coracoid glenoid. All the other supportive characters which you criticized are NOT part of the formal definition, but do help to add considerable weight to my argument.

I reiterate. I am not the 'buddy' of Osama bin Cyberstalking Loon, aka Bob Keeter, aka Gernot Lachner, aka John Brock, aka Corvun Saepius, aka gen2rev, among others. As I said before, only two types of people call others 'buddies': real friends or thugs. You are a thug, a C. Nut Loony thug. Your real buddy, if not soul mate, is Ken Kinman. The sole purpose that 'Bob Keeter' the cyberstalking loon is hanging around this news group is to engage in ad hominem or post low tech graffiti posts.

Not only is Kinman defending Osama bin Cyberstalking Loony, he is at the same time denying that the cyberstalker is a cyberstalker. That is proof positive that Kinman , like the cladists, is an ally of the cyberstalking loony.

This is what you call evidence that I am wrong? Please.

Come on now. You may be able to fool the aliases of the cyberstalking loon, but you can't fool me.

That is one of the biggest loads of rubbish that I have ever read from Kinman. No references, no nothing. He expects me to buy his nonsensical interpretation of what Wagner and Gauthier and Hanenberg wrote. Fat chance. He can keep on defending his bosom buddy Osama bin Cyberstalking Loony, but the more he tries to deny the cyberstalker's existence, the more guilty he makes himself look.

Even better, does he still think that airplanes can't fly upside down?

[a bunch of ad hominem]

So what else does one expect from another alias of the C. Nut Loony?

Cal, you are on record as insisting that an aerofoil cannot produce lift when upside down. When several people pointed out that many airplanes can fly upside down you ridiculed them, much as you are ridiculing me now, and then stonewalled, refusing to address the point. I know you are not going to deny this, because you know I can always find your posts on Google and post the URLs. You are probably going to delete my words in your reply, but you are not going to deny that what I am saying is true, are you?

So, have you figured out yet how airplanes can fly upside down?

Isn't it strange that we have two aerodynamic 'experts' visiting a paleontology news group at the same time? Too bad neither of them could cite a passage from a Physics textbook in the fall of 2000. And then a third aerodynamics expert came along and called himself 'Eric J. Korpela.' He too, was textbook challenged. In fact, he tried to impersonate the real UCB physicist, but he, too, could not cite any passage from a textbook to support his claim. Worse, 'Eric J. Korpela' didn't even know who Halliday and Resnick were. I say the odds of Bob Keeter, John Brock and the 'Eric J. Korpela' who visits this newsgroup are not the same person must be 1/100 x 1/100 x 1/100 at best. That translates into a chance of 1 in a million that they are not the same person. It is funny that Ken Kinman brought up the subject of aerodynamics in a thread that deals with the trochlea carpalis, and the two self-proclaimed aerodynamic experts of course can shed no light (as usual) on any biology related subject, but they appear as if on cue to engage in pointless ad hominme. And then Kinman denies that these two characters are cyberstalking aliases. How does Kinman know that they are NOT cyberstalking aliases unless he knows that they are and is just denying the obvious.

Sorry Osama bin Cyberstalking Loony, your tactics won't work.